. >> and the thing is, he's backed up these words by picking chuck hagel, the guy who understands war. >> hagel is somebody who considered people -- >> but hagel is there to deconstruct defense contract spending. >> he didn't talk clockishly. he didn't talk about israel. he didn't talk about anything that we usually talk about that we've got to defend ourselves. it was more like -- it was peaceful. it was almost pacifist, almost. >> well, i think he's choosing -- this first term, he toggled back and forth between the sentiments of cairo and the reality of what we did in libya, for example. we put boots on the ground there. we supported what was going on there. so sometimes he's shown a willingness to use military force to change the facts on the ground. >> assuming -- >> what he's doing, he's going back to his original commitment with which he began the first term. >> he's speaking about ending wars and the country's national security today. what sounded to me a shot of neoconservative think k. >> we, the people still believe that enduring security and lasting peace do not require per